[21:01] Ok so Greetings and Salutations everyone, [21:01] Thank you all for coming I really appreciate it. [21:02] First I wanted to introduce myself, my RL name is Jeremiah, I am 31yrs old, married with 3 children, 14 yr old step son, 6 year old daughter and a 3 year old son. [21:02] I was a officer in the army for awhile, then I worked for Choice Hotels International selling hotels, after that a manager at UPS. [21:02] My real passion has always been gaming though and I started selling gaming guides online and through that eventually found my way to TGN. I've been with TGN in some form for over a year, put I wasn’t working full time with them until recently. [21:02] My #1 goal is to see us succeed in making Stratics the #1 gamming community. Eventually I hope to open my own Lan Gamming Center. [21:02] I will be working with you all to provide guidance, support, and assistance in whatever capacity you need to create the things you want to see. [21:03] I don't want to take up to much of your time tonight so if you would please just share your forum handle and responsibilities that would be great. [21:03] if it's not the same handle you have here :) [21:03] And now everyone waits for someone to go first :P [21:04] lol start at the top :P [21:04] Some of them might be idle, since this is general staff channel [21:04] looks like u win kimi :P [21:04] *Hides* [21:04] Uriah Heep, Mod for Legends and Fel residents forums =) [21:04] ya kimi I elect you to go first too [21:04] lol [21:04] oops+ [21:05] Tazar - mod for about 3 years now on several forums and UO-HoC Coordinator [21:05] Andrasta - News Administrator, Atlantic News Manager [21:06] Ilysess - Managing Editor EQ2, going on 4 or 5 yrs here now, starting with UO of course :P [21:06] I'm Kiminality, or Kimi. On here I'm channel coordinater, on the forums I mod Spiels and Rants, Uhall Off-Topic, and the Games Roster [21:06] Valfelan - LotRo reporter, LotRo event something and general pain in the ass [21:06] lol [21:06] Nanami, nice to meetcha. I'm helping out on the ffxi section and will be doing the Ragnarok Online and possibily ffxiv. [21:07] Jekai, currently general newbie. Again. =D [21:07] (Chanop) [21:07] Basara, Moderator UO Craftsman, UO Players Corner, UO Lake Austin and content writer for some of the recent crafting profession guide revamps [21:08] Did we miss anyone currently active? [21:08] Erusun - I've been here for years, as part of Asheron's call stratics. Still hang out on IRC even though AC Stratics is defunct these days [21:08] I'm the one to blame for the Java IRC client, currently an IRC op for the IRC network [21:08] Oh awesome! [21:09] Kimi? :) [21:09] I went in between Ilysess and Valfelan [21:09] Ok I see yours now :) [21:09] I'm Kiminality, or Kimi. On here I'm channel coordinater, on the forums I mod Spiels and Rants, Uhall Off-Topic, and the Games Roster [21:09] you missed his /\ [21:09] I'll go twice, so I feel special [21:09] You are! [21:09] \o/ [21:09] Ok Thanks [21:09] I'll go twice, so I feel special [21:09] You are! [21:09] \o/ [21:09] Ok Thanks [21:10] you have no idea guru [21:10] I do want to get to know each of you on a more personal level and I want you all to know that I do most of my communication through the Skype program, I've been using it for a year now and it really has some wonderful features like video chat and allowing me to show others my screen for teaching purposes that are truly invaluable, please feel free to contact me on Skype if you care to dl it, my handle there is jeremiah.dyess [21:10] If we get enough people on there we can start holding the meetings there, but also Ventrillo and Voon have been suggested, I’m very open to feedback on this. The biggest thing to me is the Voice, things move alot faster. [21:11] *** mjayg has joined #stratics [21:11] welcome mjayg! [21:11] Whew. [21:12] We just finished introducing ourselves could you tell us about your responsiblities I believe your forum name is mjayg as well correct? [21:12] Yep. [21:13] My actual name is Mitch. Officially I'm the WoW Community Manager but also doing some posting on the main page and some promotion work with Facebook and Twitter. [21:13] oh high there Mitch I didn't put 2 and 2 together :) [21:13] No worries. [21:14] Sorry I'm late, was stuck in traffic. [21:14] (the curse of living in New York City) [21:14] lol happens, and no problems. [21:14] lol ill trade you your traffic for my 5 inches of snow today [21:14] yea yea, mohalk dark elf grenade got him [21:14] omg snow? [21:14] yuppers, its disgusting [21:14] So, Stratics Staff Meetings will be held once a month for 1 hour there will be two of them held on the same day one in the morning at 8am PST and once in the evening at 8pm PST. [21:15] I'm doing this to accommodate our Staff in Europe. I want to get feedback on the best date to do this. Could be middle of the week or weekend. And meetings will be announced at least 2 weeks in advance from here on out. [21:15] any chance we could aim for the 3rd week of the month? end of month is difficult for some who work alot [21:15] So mainly we need to knock around what platform we want to meet on, and what date is agreeable to most. [21:16] That sounds fine to me Ilysess anyone have problems with 3rd week? [21:16] weekend! [21:16] Middle of the week! [21:16] hehe [21:16] lol [21:17] im with you mj, im not around at 9 pm on the weekends lol [21:17] weekend! [21:17] Sorry but weekends are busy lol [21:17] No foreseeable problem for me [21:17] 3rd week is fine by me. Wed & Sat are both bad days though for me, but I should be able to attend the 8am one. [21:17] Yah i hope people have something to do on Saturday night! [21:17] Im staying out of this cause I dont do *anything* on the web side anymore [21:17] Why not Erusun? [21:18] or is that scarcasm? [21:18] Nope, its true [21:18] hes defunct :P [21:18] Well if you would like to change that just let me know :) [21:18] When AC became less popular, all of our people that worked on the AC stratics site left, and the game is still updated too frequently for one person to maintain the site - so it eventually went away [21:19] Ok so I'm going to say the 3rd thursday of the each month. [21:19] IRC is fine by me though Skype text chat is nice as you can set up permanent channels that log automatically [21:19] that sounds good for me [21:19] i know the feeling Erusun [21:19] Weekends should be free for lots of gamming. [21:19] :) [21:19] Of course I prefer IRC but I'm a bit prejudiced :D [21:19] Does stratics need forum Help? [21:19] ok if u dont learn how to spell gaming i may harm you [21:19] I'm obviously biased towards IRC :P [21:19] just an fyi [21:19] I havn't even see anything to state such [21:19] Well isn't IRC back of every chat program Erusun? [21:20] I like Skype [21:20] i enjoy skype but irc is okay too. i've used both, but I find skype much easier to navigate. [21:20] IRC rules :-) [21:20] Also, the Java client is set up so you can create a link directly to a chat room, makes it a bit easier to get to non-protected channels [21:21] but how do we VoIP with IRC? [21:21] I'd vote for IRC since it seems that most everyone is already here anyway. [21:21] IRC,ICQ,yahoo,AIM,Skype... i have them all, i also have a 25man ventrilo server noone uses [21:21] We Skype if you want voice [21:21] does skype have meeting type options where you can choose who can talk? otherwise I can see it becoming a bit mad if everyone chats at once [21:21] haha i can't do VOIP anyway I have no microphone [21:21] Yes [21:21] if the channel is set +m then only + and @ can talk [21:21] I've worked for pro companies that have Skype meets. Works fine. [21:21] whew, too many memories of raid shouting lol [21:22] And the fact that channels automatically log everything is fantastic [21:22] cool, im all for skype then [21:22] IRC logs all - that's why HoCs work so well [21:23] http://chat.stratics.com/chat/chat.php?chatchan=mychannel <<< Thats how you do the direct link (There are few more options to set the screensize and nickname, just a sample) [21:23] I can see theres alittle split on this, so I suggest we use skype once, if we don't like it we'll come back to IRC [21:24] Sounds cool. [21:24] I'm just cranky and hate change :) The only MMORPG I play is still asherons call [21:25] Ok so next meeting will be June 17th on Skype, and it will be a test run to see if that solution fits us. [21:25] "We fear change." (Wayne's World) [21:25] although, they did finally make the cow have upgraded graphics so its round instead of square [21:25] I liked that change [21:25] Next topic is Staff Recognition Program will be discussed. I want to design a good way to reward andrecognize our staff for the work that they do. Some small prizes for milestones or outstanding work is an option but I will gather feedback on what the staff would like to see. [21:25] :D [21:25] i vote for kimi! [21:25] In the past there was "Staff of the month" [21:26] and the Scribbies? [21:26] i got a cool pin somwhere, that was kinda neat [21:26] You vote for Kimi as the reward? O_o [21:26] I already won that once, but the pin fell out in the post :< [21:26] Yes I got to be that once! :D (Staffo f the month) that was cool [21:26] I never got my pin. [21:26] * Dor growls [21:26] :( [21:26] USPS damaged the package [21:27] the pins were cool but realistically what would you do with it besides leave it sit at your desk, tshirts or ballcaps might be cool, although not cheap obviously [21:27] I am having some TGN-Stratics shirts made for E3 [21:28] Maybe that could be the first giveaway as well. [21:28] im trying to get myself to fanfaire this year, would be nice to have something for it [21:28] how about of bowl full of peanut M&M's with the stratics logo on them? [21:28] i mean to represent us, not for me [21:28] PAX is the new E3 :-) [21:29] We gonna try to get to every major Expo. [21:29] If anyone has connections with companies you know are going to E3 we could really use them to get interviews. [21:29] hmm i'd go but i dont own a laptop, PC withdrawls ya know [21:29] I just do PAX, sorry [21:29] FourSquare does something like the person who visits the most locations in one night is made the "Mayor". Maybe the staffer of the month could get a special forum title. [21:30] Like "El Presidente" [21:30] Heh heh [21:30] is soe gonna be there? if so i can get you most of their game interviews [21:30] That would be great Ilysess, I will speak to you more on that for sure. [21:31] np just digging up some email contacts for ya [21:31] I could look into it. Have mucho contacts. [21:32] We should start a staff forum on this so we don't duplicate effort and spam/annoy people at the companies we contact [21:32] Ok so t-shirts, special titles and stuff like that is good recongition for you all? Of course the main motivator is to create and do what you love, but I just want to give alittle extra to show our thanks. [21:33] Absolutely Mitch, all the contacting goes through George, I'm just gathering the info. [21:33] *nod* [21:33] contact regarding e3 you mean? [21:26] USPS damaged the package [21:27] the pins were cool but realistically what would you do with it besides leave it sit at your desk, tshirts or ballcaps might be cool, although not cheap obviously [21:27] I am having some TGN-Stratics shirts made for E3 [21:28] Maybe that could be the first giveaway as well. [21:28] im trying to get myself to fanfaire this year, would be nice to have something for it [21:28] how about of bowl full of peanut M&M's with the stratics logo on them? [21:28] i mean to represent us, not for me [21:28] PAX is the new E3 :-) [21:29] We gonna try to get to every major Expo. [21:29] If anyone has connections with companies you know are going to E3 we could really use them to get interviews. [21:29] hmm i'd go but i dont own a laptop, PC withdrawls ya know [21:29] I just do PAX, sorry [21:29] FourSquare does something like the person who visits the most locations in one night is made the "Mayor". Maybe the staffer of the month could get a special forum title. [21:30] Like "El Presidente" [21:30] Heh heh [21:30] is soe gonna be there? if so i can get you most of their game interviews [21:30] That would be great Ilysess, I will speak to you more on that for sure. [21:31] np just digging up some email contacts for ya [21:31] I could look into it. Have mucho contacts. [21:32] We should start a staff forum on this so we don't duplicate effort and spam/annoy people at the companies we contact [21:32] Ok so t-shirts, special titles and stuff like that is good recongition for you all? Of course the main motivator is to create and do what you love, but I just want to give alittle extra to show our thanks. [21:33] Absolutely Mitch, all the contacting goes through George, I'm just gathering the info. [21:33] *nod* [21:33] contact regarding e3 you mean? [21:33] contact regarding e3 you mean? [21:34] yes e3 interviews and other expo interviews in the future. [21:34] Ok so I'll move on to next topic, but if you come up with other good recognition ideas feel free to submit them. [21:34] (Ponies) [21:35] With new growth come new staff members. Nanami and I are going to be working with Magadalene to make some Videos to train new staff. I want to get feedback on what the current staff had trouble with when first starting out so that we can cover those topics in the Videos. [21:35] (puppies) [21:35] (sea monkies) [21:36] I think videos are a great idea. But I don't do nudity... unless it is integral to the character of course. (badumdum) [21:36] But seriously, great idea. [21:36] lol. [21:36] (heh heh) [21:36] I promise I'll keep it pg13. [21:36] LOL [21:36] lol are you referring to tools that are specific to UO or to stratics in general? uo has been functioning on a totally different wave than the rest of the network for a long time so it would be important to clarify what your videos related to [21:37] in regards to drupal and newspro and such, as well as staff thingies [21:37] Drupal still works [21:37] Only problem I had with forums was the confidence to actually act when someone steps out of line. With IRC... Everything! :P [21:37] so nothings going to change in that regard? [21:38] Newspro... I had a problem with it not falling down a well before I got there... [21:38] lol [21:38] "care and non-feeding of forum trolls"??? [21:38] *** George has joined #stratics [21:38] *** ChanServ sets mode +v on George [21:38] well the reason I ask is that mags is awesome but she is a uo admin, unless theres been a change and shes now a stratics overall admin, thats why im asking if its specific to uo or not [21:38] Drupal only works for content [21:38] Greetings George! [21:38] hello [21:39] I think it was Demand.com that had a fantastic video resource area for staff. Don't think you can access the videos unless you are staff though, but it is a great example of that sort of thing [21:39] Sorry I'm late. [21:39] Good Evening :) [21:39] welcome George, your late... get the ugly stick Kimi [21:39] George! [21:39] \o [21:39] Illysess I'm refering to any training we need to do. [21:40] fair enough, but training for staff has never been a network wide thing, it was relevant only to the portal in question, is that changing? [21:40] each network obviously runs differently and therefor has different training needs [21:40] *** Airmid has joined #stratics [21:40] Well that comes down to the question of are we going to put all sections on the same platform, and maybe that is something George can answer for us. [21:40] Hi Airmid! [21:40] Ily btw :P since noone can spell ilysess [21:41] allo sorry to be late *zips it* [21:41] il-[tab] = Ilysess [21:41] The topic is Orientation Videos [21:41] ta kimi [21:42] And Ilysess brought up the question, are we going to need seperate videos for each section. [21:42] GamerGuru: It is our goal to create one back-end that all of Stratics will run from, but we must it seemlessly so, from the user's perspective, very little changes [21:42] GamerGuru: It is our goal to create one back-end that all of Stratics will run from, but we must it seemlessly so, from the user's perspective, very little changes [21:43] So for now we just want to gather the info from all the sections that really need to be in the videos, then when we know where everything is going we can create them. [21:43] This can be done easily on the forums. [21:44] I'm sure most of what we need is already there, but if you think of something specific that you had trouble with and would like new staff to know just post it there. [21:45] As someone totally new, this sort of thing would be helpful for me. Threads are great, but condensing the most salient points in a quick video would be nice too. But that's just me. [21:45] well video(s) [21:46] The smoother the learning process is, the quicker they can be sent out to the front lines >:) [21:46] Agreed! [21:46] Ok next topic, Mitch I know you are heading up the Facebook and Twitter, how is Stratics doing overall in this department? Is there anything you need to make these outlets perform better? [21:47] *** Uriah-Heep has quit (Quit: Stratics Java IRC User) [21:47] The best thing for Twitter since it auto-notifies of new posts on the main page of Stratics is if everyone made sure when they post to the individual sites that their stories show up on Stratics.com as well [21:47] Will build more awareness of the stories and the individual sites as well [21:48] And of course if you are on Facebook, make sure to jump in and chat with people and post about especially interesting news and articles [21:48] yes, and let your friends know we are on there! :) [21:48] Linking back to Stratics whenever possible on FB and Twitter should help build traffic and interest and word of mouth [21:48] Is there a "stratics" on FB to become a fan of? [21:48] facebook.com/stratics [21:48] twitter.com/stratics [21:49] Check my pages, Kimi [21:49] Done [21:50] We need everyone to be on the lookout for broken or out-of-date content on Stratics [21:50] Otherwise, we're good and as new stuff gets added to the site I'll do more pushes to get peoples' attention. Will post about the merger actually, that should be up there [21:50] Grabbed both of those. [21:51] and, technically, FB has replaced the term "fan" for non-personal pages with "likes" [21:51] There will be a staff thread started to let us know, so we can clean these up, and start turning Stratics into a well-oiled machine :) [21:52] Ok I have 10 minutes left, and I have one last topic. [21:52] Then I will turn it over to George. [21:53] There have been some problems with the OT forums, and I would like to get your feedback on if you believe we should either rewrite the guidelines so that we have more control over what is said there, or just do away with them completely. [21:53] Are you talking about the no holds barred one? [21:54] yes [21:54] Or general, including the Uhall OT? [21:54] The no holds barred. [21:54] http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=5474 [21:54] Nuke it. :-) [21:55] these are the current guidelines, but they just give too much leadway [21:55] I personally wouldn't be sad to see it go, but any attempts to get rid of it would be met with some fierce opposition [21:56] anyone else have a suggestion for what to do about them? [21:56] It was set up very specifically for the reasons that you see there [21:56] I say revise the terms, and then give them a month to clean it up. If things are still offensive beyond what they should be by that time, nuke it. [21:56] i dont read the ot forums cause they are just a bit too much for me, but I guess what it comes down to is does stratics have any needs for them? is it an image we need or want to present [21:56] to get those kinds of things away from the rest of the site [21:56] I think much of it depends on the direction you want Stratics as a whole to go. I don't see it fitting into your direction [21:57] there is a reason why it's 18+ [21:57] *** George has left #stratics (Konversation terminated!) [21:57] there is a reason why you have to be registered to use them [21:57] you have to intentionally go there to view them [21:57] you cannot accidentally stumble upon them [21:57] and in all honesty, shutting those forums off will create more trouble than it's worth [21:58] Personally speaking, they just take time away from things having to do with games. [21:58] Which is what it's there for [21:58] We had a big discussion about this on the community managers forum (communitymanagersgroup.com) and people generally felt it was good to have a closed off section where people could go be obnoxious if they wanted as long as they understood such behavior would not be allowed outside that area [21:58] *** George has joined #stratics [21:58] *** ChanServ sets mode +v on George [21:58] to remove the non gaming elements from the forums that do focus on games [21:58] i dont see them as serving any purpose other than appeasing people who want somewhere that they are allowed to act like that, how is it in any form relevent to stratics or what stratics is about [21:58] i told this to george and jeremiah, i had gone in there before i joined up just a few days.. i've seen other ot forums but I was really surprised at the content in this one. [21:59] Which is why it is encouraged to read the RoC there [21:59] On the other hand, there are plenty of other forums like that on the internet if they want to visit them [21:59] and again, it's not like you can accidentally get there [21:59] And some of us still have ties to stratics as a whole [21:59] yeah but i expected something else even reading that. it reminded me of a mini 4chan [21:59] devil you can probably answer this better, are the users in there the same people who are frequenting our other forums and sites or are they a specific group just to ot? [21:59] and don't want to register on other forums [21:59] *** George has quit (Quit: Stratics Java IRC User) [21:59] My previous experience as a forum admin elsewhere is that if you don't give some people an outlet like it, they will try doing it on the main forums, then scream censorship when you rightfully moderate their crap on the forums it's disrupting [22:00] A little of column A and a little of column B [22:00] there are some peopel there that participate in other places on the network [22:00] and other users there that have stayed with stratics because of the community generated [22:00] even though they no longer play the ggames [22:00] If we weren't getting complaints about it, it wouldn't be a problem, but at this point it is making us look bad. [22:00] or their particular game's forum is shut down or gone [22:00] *** George has joined #stratics [22:00] *** ChanServ sets mode +v on George [22:00] ok, but again [22:01] take into consideration that the people that are making these complaints [22:01] ARE INTENTIONALLY GOING THERE TO LOOK AND COMPLAIN [22:01] Agreed Basara and it also is indicative of whether this is "just" a gaming community or is the Stratics community a community in and of itself [22:01] I understand it has its place, and I appreicate your feedback, esp yours DevilHimself. [22:01] you cannot even access that particular forum [22:01] unless you have a registered account [22:02] Check the numbers [22:02] besides the UO forums [22:02] OT is the second busiest place here [22:02] NHB is named that for a reason, if you let it continue you are supporting the topics and discussion that occurs [22:02] it generates traffic [22:02] it gives you a place to keep topics that shouldn't be elsewhere [22:02] if you could just get certain UO moderators to realize that it is not a dumpging ground and get them to do their jobs correctly [22:02] things would be fine [22:03] yes, there is a lot of stupid shit that goes on there [22:03] and a lot of times it's stupid shit just for the sake of stupid shit [22:03] devil could you give those of us who arent overly familiar with ot an example of a type of thread that is beneficial to the network, but needs to be in ot because of its content? [22:03] DH: yeah, the ones that can't tell the difference between UO OT and OT:NHB [22:03] but again, it's an outlet for those users that would do it elsewhere [22:03] off topic is fine, but offensive content is something else. i mean do you really want stuff like T&A showing up in there? or racist comments? What if someone from one of the games we are hosting comes by and decides to join the forums to browse around, how is that going to make the site look/ [22:03] A problem I can see is that if you register, it appears on the firts page of the forums list. Could viewing/accessing it be made to require joining a usergroup? Like the "mature" UOforums forum? [22:04] Also have to consider how it looks to a game dev or other company we are trying to work with... [22:04] there are a great many political, sociological and economic discussions that go on there that aren't allowed elsewhere [22:04] and, I'm sorry, but those arguments don't really hold up [22:04] when OT has been going perfectly well for [22:04] gosh [22:04] HAPPY FIVE YEAR ANNIVERSARY OT [22:04] lol [22:05] ya it's right around OTs birthday [22:05] serious [22:05] true mj, but i understand devils point that if a game dev or other company clearly chooses to gain access to that forum shouldnt they expect it? [22:05] crazy joe discussed it w/ den and what's his name [22:05] at E3 05 [22:05] I was sitting at the table [22:05] right near the end of may that eyar [22:05] OT went live [22:05] year* [22:05] now, things have changed [22:05] and not necessarily for the better [22:06] or for the worse [22:06] Well we are going to look at it fairly before making a decision, My hour is up but your welcome to keep the discussion going. [22:06] t&a and outright offenzsive things liek that arent allowed [22:06] the racism issue has become more lax [22:06] I'm just being a Devil's Advocate (no offense DH) or maybe I'm just a Party Pooper. Hmmm. [22:06] Remember next meeting June 17th on Skype. It will be posted on the forums! [22:06] but that's the admin's decision to enforce or not [22:06] I think GG wants to go to sleep lol [22:06] Closing OT would be a bad idea in general [22:06] it keeps the miscreants in one major spot [22:07] no I'm fine. But I do stick to my word on how much of your time I will take up [22:07] rather than releasing them across the network :P [22:07] again if you allow the discussion that occurs in NHB you are saying racist or discriminatory comments are okay [22:07] no, not really [22:07] Meeting was very well run btw. IRC meetings usually break down but having an agenda and keeping it moving worked well. [22:07] you put a disclaimer up [22:07] there was a reported post about pictures posted by someone of a topless owman or something, this is the kind of thing i mean. yes, it was reported but the user had an arguement that it wasn't in violation of the disclaimer you all have currently if i remember teh email [22:07] what goes on here is not the opinion of the network itself [22:07] what goes on here is not the opinion of the network itself [22:07] *the [22:07] all comments are owned by the people that say them [22:08] or uh [22:08] Says who? [22:08] you enforce the few rules that are there to attempt to keep it not bad [22:08] says who what? [22:08] for a long time, it was no porn, no racism [22:08] There have been a lot of cases lately where ISPs or sites have been taken to court for things users posted on their forums actually [22:08] then a few grey area things came in [22:09] and now most things aren't really enforced at all [22:09] link me one [22:09] find me something where a site has been sued for that [22:09] even after heavy disclaimers [22:09] and they have lost [22:09] the only time that legal issues come about [22:09] is the relasing and distribution of private information [22:10] Not the best example, have to google a bit, but this is the first that came up [22:10] http://www.bitnip.com/index.php?option=com_alphacontent§ion=1&cat=7&task=view&id=293&Itemid=18 [22:10] illegal [22:10] music [22:10] downloads [22:10] >.< [22:10] ok so [22:11] attempting to maintain this civilly [22:11] I'm talking apples [22:11] you're bringing in chipmunks [22:11] that's alright [22:11] I understand where you're coming from [22:11] Yes I was just getting an example quickly, can get more specific ones with a little time [22:11] and no, there are no torrents posted or any links for specific downloads [22:11] I had the strange thought earlier of someone trying to use NHB to skirt the rules on the general forums for RMTs, like account selling... [22:11] nah man [22:12] bots and stuff like that that come there [22:12] naaaw [22:12] generally get cussed out pretty well [22:12] And most peopel that attempt to discuss specific games [22:12] http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=170222 here's a forum article about even a blog that had issues with this. [22:12] it doesn't go over too well, either [22:12] ya [22:13] Australia wants to take down ED [22:13] good luck [22:13] they can't [22:13] best they can try to do is blacklist it in their own country [22:13] people attempt to bring up UO [22:13] or things that go on in specfic shard related things [22:13] get shot down pretty quickly [22:13] Both sides raise valid points [22:13] and again, the statement and wording on OT [22:14] is pretty clear and cut and dry [22:14] I don't go to NHB like at all, but given the choices, I'd rather have the idioticy contained in a corner of the forums than having it ooze out everywhere else [22:14] and also w/ the ED thing [22:14]